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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Marilyn</title>
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		<author>Marilyn</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I can't help thinking of an expression "stubborn as a mule" and then applying that to most Democrats since their symbol is the donkey.  Neuman, most Democrats will go vote for them no matter what they say they are going to do (abortion forever, same sex marriage) and just overlook their platform because their promises of taking care of everyone economically.   Christians should know those promises are false and realize that if we fail to honor God,  all promises mean nothing.  Who sends the sunshine and the rain for things to grow?  Who can control the hearts of kings and kingdoms?  We will always be voting to choose between evils until Christ returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help thinking of an expression &#8220;stubborn as a mule&#8221; and then applying that to most Democrats since their symbol is the donkey.  Neuman, most Democrats will go vote for them no matter what they say they are going to do (abortion forever, same sex marriage) and just overlook their platform because their promises of taking care of everyone economically.   Christians should know those promises are false and realize that if we fail to honor God,  all promises mean nothing.  Who sends the sunshine and the rain for things to grow?  Who can control the hearts of kings and kingdoms?  We will always be voting to choose between evils until Christ returns.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by neuwman</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29854</link>
		<author>neuwman</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"If you have x number of expected voters, more candidates = less votes per candidate. Since those who vote for candidate C (say Constitution Party) will likely be voters who were going to vote for candidate A (Republican Party), then each of their votes benefits candidate B (Democratic Party)."

ASSUMPTIONS make an ass of you and me. That is nothing more than an assumption. Everyone has a right to vote for who they want. If a person votes for a third party it does not mean they would for party one or two. In my case I would rather not vote than vote for the evil. How can a democracy be one choice presented as two? I read your comment and it reminds me of the "you can't stop people from doing it so just make it legal." Its asinine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you have x number of expected voters, more candidates = less votes per candidate. Since those who vote for candidate C (say Constitution Party) will likely be voters who were going to vote for candidate A (Republican Party), then each of their votes benefits candidate B (Democratic Party).&#8221;</p>
<p>ASSUMPTIONS make an ass of you and me. That is nothing more than an assumption. Everyone has a right to vote for who they want. If a person votes for a third party it does not mean they would for party one or two. In my case I would rather not vote than vote for the evil. How can a democracy be one choice presented as two? I read your comment and it reminds me of the &#8220;you can&#8217;t stop people from doing it so just make it legal.&#8221; Its asinine.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Abe</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29850</link>
		<author>Abe</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29850</guid>
					<description>Cineaste

"That evangelical conservatives are foisting their religious beliefs upon others via the Bush administration? It’s a religious contention that the “soul” enters at conception, right?”

Are you saying that before Bush took office it wasn't possible to charge a person with 2 counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman?  I don't think that is the case, and I don't think you have the info to support your answer.

I think the real answer to Tony's question is that whether or not a fetus has any rights is whether or not the mom wants it.  I also find it hard to believe that a rational person like yourself, cineaste, would find that legal definition of personhood tenable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cineaste</p>
<p>&#8220;That evangelical conservatives are foisting their religious beliefs upon others via the Bush administration? It’s a religious contention that the “soul” enters at conception, right?”</p>
<p>Are you saying that before Bush took office it wasn&#8217;t possible to charge a person with 2 counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman?  I don&#8217;t think that is the case, and I don&#8217;t think you have the info to support your answer.</p>
<p>I think the real answer to Tony&#8217;s question is that whether or not a fetus has any rights is whether or not the mom wants it.  I also find it hard to believe that a rational person like yourself, cineaste, would find that legal definition of personhood tenable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Abe</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29849</link>
		<author>Abe</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29849</guid>
					<description>Some interesting factoids on the difference in giving to charitable causes between religious and non religious Americans. 

http://www.generousgiving.org/page.asp?sec=4&#38;page=161#309

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

Interesting article comparing Bush's record on African aid.  (Warning foul language from a musician)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/may/28/disasterresponse.famine

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717934-1,00.html

Also, I'm pretty sure Rwanda, Uganda, Congo, and Yugoslavia all happened on Clinton's watch.

I think the evidence is pretty clear that religous conservatives can care about more than one issue at a time, and actually make a difference instead of just giving lip service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting factoids on the difference in giving to charitable causes between religious and non religious Americans. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.generousgiving.org/page.asp?sec=4&amp;page=161#309" rel="nofollow">http://www.generousgiving.org/page.asp?sec=4&amp;page=161#309</a></p>
<p><a href="http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm" rel="nofollow">http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm</a></p>
<p>Interesting article comparing Bush&#8217;s record on African aid.  (Warning foul language from a musician)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/may/28/disasterresponse.famine" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/may/28/disasterresponse.famine</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717934-1,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717934-1,00.html</a></p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m pretty sure Rwanda, Uganda, Congo, and Yugoslavia all happened on Clinton&#8217;s watch.</p>
<p>I think the evidence is pretty clear that religous conservatives can care about more than one issue at a time, and actually make a difference instead of just giving lip service.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Laz</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29846</link>
		<author>Laz</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Cine, you make too many assumptions.  I never said cavemen never existed.

As for the interspecies hybridizations.  Yeah you got me.  So maybe you can write to the good folks who published Campbell's Biology (Benjamin-Cummings) as to why they would list "Reproduction" (organisms producing their own kind) as a property of life.

I guess it could be argued that the hybrid is not theoretically the same kind as either parent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cine, you make too many assumptions.  I never said cavemen never existed.</p>
<p>As for the interspecies hybridizations.  Yeah you got me.  So maybe you can write to the good folks who published Campbell&#8217;s Biology (Benjamin-Cummings) as to why they would list &#8220;Reproduction&#8221; (organisms producing their own kind) as a property of life.</p>
<p>I guess it could be argued that the hybrid is not theoretically the same kind as either parent?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Cineaste</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29845</link>
		<author>Cineaste</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29845</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;"To quote the Geico caveman..."&lt;/i&gt;

You don't even believe in the Geico cavemen, remember? The first humans looked like Adam and Eve, like us, right? :)

&lt;i&gt;"Scientifically speaking, it is not alive because on its own it cannot reproduce new organisms (one of the characteristics of life)."&lt;/i&gt;

See, this is exactly what I mean about people opening their mouth without thinking first. A dog-fox hybrid can't reproduce. It's freaking sterile. Yet, they're alive, right? Duh! No, says Laz, under the definition of life, sperm is dead and all the skin cells on my nose are all dead. Saying cells are alive is a favorite of of pro abortionist. Those fools!

And Tony, thank you. You made me laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;To quote the Geico caveman&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You don&#8217;t even believe in the Geico cavemen, remember? The first humans looked like Adam and Eve, like us, right? <img src='http://www.timellsworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Scientifically speaking, it is not alive because on its own it cannot reproduce new organisms (one of the characteristics of life).&#8221;</i></p>
<p>See, this is exactly what I mean about people opening their mouth without thinking first. A dog-fox hybrid can&#8217;t reproduce. It&#8217;s freaking sterile. Yet, they&#8217;re alive, right? Duh! No, says Laz, under the definition of life, sperm is dead and all the skin cells on my nose are all dead. Saying cells are alive is a favorite of of pro abortionist. Those fools!</p>
<p>And Tony, thank you. You made me laugh.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Tony Foeller</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29844</link>
		<author>Tony Foeller</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29844</guid>
					<description>Cineaste...Jesus loves you and so do I.  He's got a wonderful plan for your life.  He died in your place so that you could be set free from your sins.  Turn to Him and you will find forgiveness, a new beginning, a full and meaningful life for now, and an eternal home in heaven some day.

I prayed for you just now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cineaste&#8230;Jesus loves you and so do I.  He&#8217;s got a wonderful plan for your life.  He died in your place so that you could be set free from your sins.  Turn to Him and you will find forgiveness, a new beginning, a full and meaningful life for now, and an eternal home in heaven some day.</p>
<p>I prayed for you just now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Laz</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29843</link>
		<author>Laz</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29843</guid>
					<description>No Cine a spermatozoan does not fit that definition, it's not alive.  Scientifically speaking, it is not alive because on its own it cannot reproduce new organisms (one of the characteristics of life).  

A zygote on the other hand...  Well you know the rest ;)

To quote the Geico caveman, "Next time do a little research."

Not to mention the fact that you should follow your own advice and not reply with "knee jerk reactions" like:  the whole single cell argument (most use the example of the millions of skin cells that are sloughed off on a daily basis)

A favorite of of pro-abortionists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Cine a spermatozoan does not fit that definition, it&#8217;s not alive.  Scientifically speaking, it is not alive because on its own it cannot reproduce new organisms (one of the characteristics of life).  </p>
<p>A zygote on the other hand&#8230;  Well you know the rest <img src='http://www.timellsworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To quote the Geico caveman, &#8220;Next time do a little research.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that you should follow your own advice and not reply with &#8220;knee jerk reactions&#8221; like:  the whole single cell argument (most use the example of the millions of skin cells that are sloughed off on a daily basis)</p>
<p>A favorite of of pro-abortionists.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Cineaste</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29842</link>
		<author>Cineaste</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29842</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;"I’ll answer your question when you answer mine."&lt;/i&gt;

I already answered you but apparently it didn't register.  I'll explain... 

"That evangelical conservatives are foisting their religious beliefs upon others via the Bush administration? It’s a religious contention that the “soul” enters at conception, right?"

...are rhetorical questions. Do you understand now? Is this getting through to you at all now? No, probably not.

&lt;i&gt;"If this something is “human” and it’s “alive” (possesses life), it is HUMAN LIFE."&lt;/i&gt;

Your own sperm fits the definition you just provided. &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8" rel="nofollow"&gt;Every Sperm is Sacred {Monty Python's Meaning of Life}&lt;/a&gt; So that's what, 500 million human lives or whatever killed per shot? Try thinking before you open your mouth to speak. Give some thought to my posts instead of just replying with canned knee jerk reactions and manufactured moral outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I’ll answer your question when you answer mine.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I already answered you but apparently it didn&#8217;t register.  I&#8217;ll explain&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;That evangelical conservatives are foisting their religious beliefs upon others via the Bush administration? It’s a religious contention that the “soul” enters at conception, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;are rhetorical questions. Do you understand now? Is this getting through to you at all now? No, probably not.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;If this something is “human” and it’s “alive” (possesses life), it is HUMAN LIFE.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Your own sperm fits the definition you just provided. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8" rel="nofollow">Every Sperm is Sacred {Monty Python&#8217;s Meaning of Life}</a> So that&#8217;s what, 500 million human lives or whatever killed per shot? Try thinking before you open your mouth to speak. Give some thought to my posts instead of just replying with canned knee jerk reactions and manufactured moral outrage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Laz</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29840</link>
		<author>Laz</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tony,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Why does an individual who kills a pregnant woman and whose baby also dies get charged with two murders?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A very good question... Though a consistent pro-abortionist would answer that it should only be one murder if she was planning on aborting her child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<blockquote><p>Why does an individual who kills a pregnant woman and whose baby also dies get charged with two murders?</p></blockquote>
<p>A very good question&#8230; Though a consistent pro-abortionist would answer that it should only be one murder if she was planning on aborting her child.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29839</link>
		<author>Marilyn</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29839</guid>
					<description>I would like to have the perfect candidate to vote for, but that does not seem to ever happen.  Party platforms explain their positions.  Read them and see if your conscience will tell you to vote for the abortion party, (if you are a Christian).  Nephos is right about either not voting or voting third party.  You are still voting by your lack and more than likely the abortion party people have no qualms about voting, so that only leaves them in the better position of winning.
It is pretty apparent which party does the capitulating, so a vote for the Democrats is a sure vote for killing the unborn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to have the perfect candidate to vote for, but that does not seem to ever happen.  Party platforms explain their positions.  Read them and see if your conscience will tell you to vote for the abortion party, (if you are a Christian).  Nephos is right about either not voting or voting third party.  You are still voting by your lack and more than likely the abortion party people have no qualms about voting, so that only leaves them in the better position of winning.<br />
It is pretty apparent which party does the capitulating, so a vote for the Democrats is a sure vote for killing the unborn.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denny Burk responds to Donald Miller by Nephos</title>
		<link>http://www.timellsworth.com/christianity/denny-burk-responds-to-donald-miller#comment-29838</link>
		<author>Nephos</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>neuwman says:  "That right there is why we are what we are as a nation. That is utter BS Nephos. Complete BS and it makes me angry every time I hear it. McCain is as pittyful candidate as Obama and sticking with the two party system is ridiculous. Especially when you have what we have here. Shame on you. if I vote for a third party I’M not voting for Obama or McCain. GROW UP AND turn off your TV."

First of all some observations:
*I respect your (and anyone's) right to vote third party, and understand the thinking that would make you do so.
*I am sorry to make you angry with my opinion.  
*I am not ashamed of my opinion, nor am I changing it.
*I do not get my opinions from TV.
*Ironically, your last sentence was exactly what my wife said to me the last time she made me take out the trash.

I'll try not to anger you more, but it's a matter of simple mathematics and logic.  If you have x number of expected voters, more candidates = less votes per candidate.  Since those who vote for candidate C (say Constitution Party) will likely be voters who were going to vote for candidate A (Republican Party), then each of their votes benefits candidate B (Democratic Party).

If candidate C draws voters who were expected to sit out the election, there is no harm done.  But each voter (who planned to vote) he/she draws away from candidate A makes it that much more likely that candidate B will win.

Now if you can show me where that is BS, I'll happily acknowledge it.  I've been told before that this premise is wrong, but no one has shown me where my thinking is faulty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neuwman says:  &#8220;That right there is why we are what we are as a nation. That is utter BS Nephos. Complete BS and it makes me angry every time I hear it. McCain is as pittyful candidate as Obama and sticking with the two party system is ridiculous. Especially when you have what we have here. Shame on you. if I vote for a third party I’M not voting for Obama or McCain. GROW UP AND turn off your TV.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all some observations:<br />
*I respect your (and anyone&#8217;s) right to vote third party, and understand the thinking that would make you do so.<br />
*I am sorry to make you angry with my opinion.<br />
*I am not ashamed of my opinion, nor am I changing it.<br />
*I do not get my opinions from TV.<br />
*Ironically, your last sentence was exactly what my wife said to me the last time she made me take out the trash.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try not to anger you more, but it&#8217;s a matter of simple mathematics and logic.  If you have x number of expected voters, more candidates = less votes per candidate.  Since those who vote for candidate C (say Constitution Party) will likely be voters who were going to vote for candidate A (Republican Party), then each of their votes benefits candidate B (Democratic Party).</p>
<p>If candidate C draws voters who were expected to sit out the election, there is no harm done.  But each voter (who planned to vote) he/she draws away from candidate A makes it that much more likely that candidate B will win.</p>
<p>Now if you can show me where that is BS, I&#8217;ll happily acknowledge it.  I&#8217;ve been told before that this premise is wrong, but no one has shown me where my thinking is faulty.</p>
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